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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Myślałem o jakiś Polanach, którzy jak Litwa w dodatku mogliby chrzest przyjąć ale nie doczytałem, że to tylko o bałkanach jest
    Właściwie nie tylko o Bałkanach, będzie też Italia, wyspy, trochę Azji mniejszej. Jak widać po spisie frakcji są Frankowie, jest i Święte Cesarstwo to też coś z nich się trafi. No i Ruś Kijowska... chyba niegrywalna.
    Twórcy właśnie zrobili taką mapę iż raz mogą zrobić wszystko jak najbardziej historycznie (mody globalne nie oddają regionalnych smaczków co jest ich wadą). Dwa nieco mniej roboty, a i tak kilka ciekawych nacji jest. Ktoś nawet rzucił Serbów jako pomysł do realizacji, więc będzie czym grać.

    Istotnie, widać rezultaty przeniesienia (takie ładne mody kiszą się w tych przeklętych regionalnych). Tak, sam twórca się wypowiedział iż jeszcze przed nimi dużo pracy, ale i tak sporo już zrobiono, więc przynajmniej mamy pewność iż pracę ukończą.

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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    No tak, bo ludzie czytają, że globalne są najlepsze, bo najwięcej zmieniają Te działy na forum ktoś powinien jakoś pozmieniać, bo to troche bezsensu

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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Polan nie da rady, bo jest tylko Kraków z polskich ziem i ew. Przemyśl, ale to już raczej grody czerwieńskie są. Co najwyżej Wiślan można dać, choć Kraków był pod władaniem Wielkich Moraw. Tak czy siak, nasze plemiona nie miały wpływu na wojnę Bizancjum vs Bułgaria, dlatego też nie ma sensu dawać takiego państwa.

    PS: Co do tych subfor, to z założenia miało to chyba wyglądać tak - modyfikacje z mapą podstawki bądź większą - mody globalne. Mody dotyczące konkretnego regionu ( mapa niekoniecznie mniejsza od podstawki ) - mody regionalne. To nie miało być wartościowanie na mody gorsze i lepsze. Ja ten podział rozumiem i nawet częściej zaglądałem do regionalnych, bo lepsze mody posiada ten dział No ale niestety takich jak ja, jest chyba niewielu i ludzie nie zrozumieli idei.
    Proponowałem kiedyś zmianę tego podziału, ale jakoś nie było zgody. Może teraz "góra" będzie bardziej chętna, może Martin się tym zajmiesz. Na palatynie gdzieś muszą być moje posty na ten temat.
    Ksiądz Dominik, hetmanem będąc, uciekł w trawę
    I ze strachu nasrał w portki, osrał i buławę...

    "Paszkwil od chłopiąt dworskich" o księciu Dominiku Zasławskim.

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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Ja właśnie po to jakoś to ruszyłem (najpierw przy pomocy Eustychesa i IB 2) i powolutku (jak pomrowik zjadający ogród) przekładam co ciekawsze mody, aby sprawdzić reakcję i ew. zaproponować jakiś ruch. Sam uważam iż taki podział jest troszeczkę sprzeczny z normalną logikom i regionalne z globalnymi należy połączyć dla dobra wszystkich.
    Zwykle człowiek myśli tak iż to co większe jest lepsze. Duży tort jest lepszy niż małe ciastko, wielki samochód jest lepszy niż mały skuterek. Nie chodzi tu nawet o oceny, bo wielu to pomija... to taka podświadomość jak strach przed wielkimi drapieżnikami.
    Jak widać to szkodzi tym w regionalnym, a rozwija te w globalnym. Popatrzmy choćby na regionalne Broken Crescent, jak się ładnie rozwijało na starym forum, jak się rozwinęło na nowym... był na widoku. W regionalnym jak była tak jest pajęczyna.
    Nawet to doświadczenie z TGC wykazało iż w ciągu dwóch dni przybyło więcej postów niż w ciągu kilku miesięcy w regionalnym (o jakieś 1200%).

    Sprawdzimy jeszcze jak będzie z The Last Kingdom.

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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Nie chcę się mądrzyć ale, lepszy podział byłby na modyfikacje:
    -gotowe
    -w produkcji
    Dotychczasowy na mody globalne i regionalne nie jest przyjazny pod kontem poszukiwania moda do instalacji.
    Zeby nie było off-topu, napiszę, że to są chyba najlepsze jednostki Bizancjum, które do tej pory widziałem i mod trafia w niszę, bo brakowało mi wczesnego mrocznego średniowiecza, bez zbroi płytowych i prochu. Chętnie powalczę w kolczugach i z kolczugami ale obawiam się, że oczekiwania będą b. długie. Jeżeli ktoś z szanownych forumowiczów zna przybliżoną datę końcowej wersji to niech się łaskawie z nią podzieli, supozycje też są mile widziane.
    Byłem spragniony a nie napoiliście mnie...

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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Cytat Zamieszczone przez Gnejusz
    Nie chcę się mądrzyć ale, lepszy podział byłby na modyfikacje:
    -gotowe
    -w produkcji
    Dotychczasowy na mody globalne i regionalne nie jest przyjazny pod kontem poszukiwania moda do instalacji.
    Zeby nie było off-topu, napiszę, że to są chyba najlepsze jednostki Bizancjum, które do tej pory widziałem i mod trafia w niszę, bo brakowało mi wczesnego mrocznego średniowiecza, bez zbroi płytowych i prochu. Chętnie powalczę w kolczugach i z kolczugami ale obawiam się, że oczekiwania będą b. długie. Jeżeli ktoś z szanownych forumowiczów zna przybliżoną datę końcowej wersji to niech się łaskawie z nią podzieli, supozycje też są mile widziane.
    Sądze, że przeciętny moderator jest zbyt leniwy żeby cały czas przenosić wątki z w produkcji do ukończonych albo może poprostu zapomnieć. Można by wrzucić regionalne i globale do jednego worka a w oddzielnym dziale zostawić uzupełniające. A wracając do tematu to podzielam zdanie Aravena, że trailer wgniata w fotel aczkolwiek jest trochę za krótki Same jednostki są wykonane z wielką starannością i dbałóścią o szczegóły. No ale cóż na najfajniejsze projekty zawsze trzeba długo czekać :?
    "Od początku do końca oceniaj człowieka tylko i wyłącznie po jego czynach."
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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    No jednostki wala w dykiel ale co się dziwić robią je najwięksi mistrzowie Anthonius czy koulturas oraz absynthia...
    W najbliższym czasie zmieni mi sie nick z ,,Turumbar and death" na ,,T&D TWC"

    ,,Kibel nie jest dla zabawy!!!" Marian Paździoch
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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Coś bardzo oryginalnego - Preview nacji Chorwackiej. Do tej pory żaden mod nie pokazywał chorwatów. Nie są tak fajnie dzicy jak Zachodni Słowianie, ale zawsze coś.

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    Members of the Družina act as bodyguards of the Duke (and later King) of Croatia.
    The nature of early Slavic warfare can be characterized by this group of companions, synonymous in all of the modern Slavic tongues and tied to the tribal relationships
    of fealty that had preceded feudalism. The term Družina itself is rooted in the Proto-Slavic word for friend, drugъ, still present among modern Slavs in some form.

    In an era before feudalism, the central factor to conducting warfare was a potentate’s personal bodyguard, his group of closest companions, the Družina.
    These men were tied to their overlord through bonds similar to those of the Germanic peoples, and were supplied all their equipment and land by their lord, and expected a share in booty. In exchange, they served as a standing army for the duke, almost always mobilized, travelling with him from fort to fort, and ready for war.
    With disappearance of tribal society, and wide implementation of feudal system members of Družina expect to be payed regularly for their service, or viewed their service as an opportunity to distinguish themselves in eyes of the king and gain fief of their own as reward.
    Being the finest warriors at the disposal of the knez, they are the military elite of the Slavic society, and their armour and equipment is evident of this.
    They had access to finest equipment available, often imported from famous workshops of Byzantine and Carolingian lands. Their main weapon was a long cavalry spear. Except spears they used richly decorated swords of great quality. For protection they wore chain-mail hauberks, and additional scale or lamellar vests.
    Other essential parts of the equipment were iron helmets and, large wooden shields, at first of rounded shape, and later kite shaped under Norman influence.

    The Družina was present in almost every known armed conflict that Croatia was involved in: from early the 9th century, when they saved life of the Croatian duke Borna in battle against ruler Ljudevit of Pannonian duchy, to late 11th century when they served under King Zvonimir in his war against the Caranthanians.
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    Pretorianes are members of the ruler’s armed retinue. A rich and powerful duke does not only keep small unit of bodyguards but can also raise additional number of these elite troops.

    The Pretorianes are faithful to their duke not only because they are paid well, but because of their affiliation to the same tribe and blood relations. Pretorianes are skilled horseman, trained in arts of war from young age. Their main weapon is long a cavalry spear. Secondary they use long swords. All members of Pretorianes are trained to fight on foot, and they often do so in battles on rough rocky terrain that is so frequently found in Croatia.

    They have quality equipment at their disposal: mail hauberks, iron helmets, and scale or lamellar vests for extra protection. Additionally those men possess expensive and high quality warhorses.

    All those factors make the Preatorianes fearsome troops. Well trained and equipped and highly motivated they are invaluable part of any Croatian army.



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    Croatia was divided into small territorial districts called županije under control of a župan. The Župan as rulers of those districts had judicial and fiscal authority, as well as control over the forts which were built to defend strategic passes and roads.

    After arrival of the Croats in their new homeland eleven of them were established, but later their number grew. They were mostly organized around fertile valleys, but also included mountain terrain around them. The Old Croatian society was divided into tribes, and each tribe into kins. Notable individual members of the most powerful kins were elected to rule as župans.
    In the late 10th century far-reaching changes were underway. Kings granted their supporters the titles of župan, and gave them, as their vassals, control over their districts. During next the hundred years powerful noble families managed to transform these newly acquired titles and lands into hereditary feudal fiefs.
    In the second half of 11th and early 12th century at the latest , the office of župan was considered to be hereditary title of certain noble families. Such families had the title of Knez (Comes) and could rule several županija's, and some families grew very rich and powerful over time. This is how mighty feudal noble families like the Bribirski/Šubići (dukes of Bribir) were born.

    Croatian nobles in 9-10th century were mostly dressed and equipped in "Frankish" fashion. Most of the weapons were imported, mostly from Rhineland, but local manufacture existed in limited numbers. Equipment of such soldier consisted of a mail shirt, an iron helmet, a long spear (often the „winged“ design), and a long sword (large number of them were K-type per Petersons classification). Richly decorated with gold and silver their swords, along with spurs and belt buckles, show theirs high social status. For additional protection medium sized round shield was worn.

    In 11th century there is a slight change in style of equipment.
    Croatian nobles begin to look very much like their Norman neighbors from the other side of the Adriatic sea: kite shaped shields, mail hauberk down to the knees, mail coifs (hoods), and helmets with nasals. Some more wealthy individuals wore lamellar amour which is clearly an element of Byzantine influence. However until the end of 11th century most of these nobles retained the traditional underarm/overarm technique of using their spears.

    Only members of the ruling warrior elite could afford such a expensive equipment. This meant that such heavy cavalrymen were expensive and thus available in limited in numbers only (ca 1/10 of the army by Frankish sources).
    Members of the ruling elite were trained in horse riding and arts of war from childhood, and make hardy and brave warriors. They were also accustomed to fight on foot, which was often the cause because of the rough mountainous terrain.

    On the battlefield Croatian nobles proved to be effective fighting force and managed to defend Croatian independence for over 300 years in many battles against Bulgarians, Magyars, Venice, other Slavs and garrisons nearby Dalmatian towns.
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    The 11th century was a time of great change for the Croatian kingdom. Two very important processes with far reaching consequences were occurring simultaneously.

    The first was appearance of the Normans on Italian soil, and the second was the introduction and establishment of a feudal system in Croatia. Capable warriors now expected to be granted land (fief) in return for their military service. Then they would swear an oath and become vassals of their feudal lord.

    Knights could be direct vassals of the king, or vassals of other feudal landowners, who then had to send them to serve in the king's army, if requested.
    The land parcel given to each knight had to be large enough to support the cost of a costly warhorse and purchase of required equipment. A good horse could cost up to 40 solidi making it almost expensive as armor itself.
    The Croatian knight's appearance and equipment was inspired by their Norman counterparts. When Normans demonstrated the power of their new cavalry charge with "couched" lances, the Croats were fast to learn. The "Vitezovi" adopted longer lances as their primary weapons. These lances were longer than standard infantry spears and allowed them to copy the successful Norman charge which would break through enemy lines upon impact. A knight’s secondary weapon was a sword. A sword was not only very dangerous, but expensive as well. As such, it was an extremely prestigious weapon of great symbolic value. A typical knight's sword in the 11th century was straight, two- edged and 75-80 cm in length. For protection, knights wore mail “hauberks” with attached hooded “coifs”. Additionally, warriors wore padded coat that increased the effectiveness of their defensive system. Lamellar or scale cuirasses were also sometimes used to provide soldiers with even more protection. The head was protected with an iron helmet with a nasal guard. The helmet would in most cases be made of one piece, but it could as well consist out of several metal parts riveted together. Additionally, each warrior would carry a large wooden kite-shaped shield. The shield’s exterior surface was covered with boiled leather which was decorated with painted symbols.
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    In the event of war each of the Croatian tribes (twelve according to legend) had to provide the knez or king a certain amount of armored cavalrymen at their own expense.

    It was some kind of select levy that provided the bulk of Croatian cavalry force. Since whole tribe participated in arming those men, they had fairly good equipment.

    Their clothes were mostly of traditional Slavic fashion (though with Byzantine and Frankish influences), and their arms were of certain Frankish design.
    Most of the weapons were imported, usually from the Rhineland, but local manufacture existed in limited numbers. Equipment of such a soldier consisted of a short mail shirt, an iron helmet, a long spear (often with „winged“ tip), as primary weapon, and a long sword as secondary weapon. For additional protection a medium sized wooden round shield was worn.

    On the battlefield the Croatian tribal cavalry proved to be very good medium cavalry that managed to defend Croatian independence for over 300 years in many battles against Bulgarians, Magyars, Venice, other Slavs, and nearby Dalmatian towns that were in Byzantine possession.



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    Most of the hinterland of the Eastern Adriatic coast is dominated by the Dinaric Mountains limiting the agricultural output and the possibilities to raise horses.

    High cost made warhorses unaffordable to most of cavalrymen. Most of Croatian tribesman rode other, smaller horses available in sufficient numbers, mostly the local breeds of mountain horse which is known for its durability and adaptability to mountain terrain. The Croatian army had, according to the Byzantine Emperor Kōnstantinos VII Porphyrogennētos, a high percentage of cavalry (1/3 of total force), but only a part of it was armored.

    Light cavalry regiments were consisted of well off freemen who had enough wealth to possess a horse.
    Most of these light cavalrymen do not wear armor and their only protection are round leather shields and old fashioned iron helmets mostly of spangenhelm type.
    However, some carry leather lamellar or scale armor of Byzantine design, or a padded shirt. Their primary weapon is a long spear. Swords are too expensive for these warriors, so instead they carry various kind of maces and cubs. Those are less prestigious but still effective cavalry weapons.

    These light cavalrymen are good at performing their traditional tasks like scouting, attacking the enemy flanks and rear, and chasing fleeing opponents. They can use their speed, maneuverability and stamina to keep enemy horse archers away from main army, and even to try to catch them and force them into a melee. It would be reckless ordering them to try frontal assaults or prolonged melee which would result in high casualties.
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    No prudent ruler can rely completely on levy infantry armies. Although numerous, such troops are untrained, unequipped and unreliable as a result. In short, the ruler of Croatia had a great need of these semi-professional soldiers of non-noble birth to hold the main battle line.

    In period upon arrival of the Croats in their new homeland, those men were relieved of paying taxes, and lived in the duke's or župan's (commander of territorial district) forts.
    They weren't however paid in money for their services, and still needed to devote some of their time to agriculture. After a feudal system become prevalent, some pedites were given half, or even a smaller part, of a knight's fief in return for their service, making their social status similar to sergeants in Western Europe. Even word sergeant was directly adopted into Croatian language in form "Seržan".

    Pedites were traditionally armed with spears and wore iron helmets. At first they had round shields, but later, under Norman influence, switched to large wooden kite shields . There was no general rule about armor. All of them had at least quilted armor, but better equipped pedites had short-sleeved chain-mail shirts called haubergeons, which were considerably shorter than the knights’ hauberk armor shirts. Some even possessed quality made iron scale, or lamellar vests. Their equipment and weapons were provided by their commanders.
    In field battles, pedites are good defensive troops, especially against cavalry.
    Deployed in close formation, these men could defeat any cavalry force foolish enough to charge straight into their front ranks. Even enemy melee infantry will have hard time penetrating their lines. Large shields and armor offer them reasonable protection them against arrows. Their flanks and rear however have to stay protected.
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    Kopljanici (the English pronounced would be "koplyanitsi") in old Croatian language means "spearmen". The word is derived from word old Croat "kopje" which means a "spear". The modern variant of the world would be world "koplje".

    The spear was one of the most common weapons used by old Slavs, and Croats.
    Byzantine emperor Kōnstantinos VII Porphyrogennētos notes that: "... almost all of them (Croats) were armed with spears, bows and arrows, and some of them with sword, axe and shield...". It was cheap to make, and effective if used properly.

    Kopjanici are levies gathered in case of war in each of territorial district called "županija". Every able bodied freemen was called into service under the command of an officer called "satnik" (literary "one who is in charge of hundred men").
    He was to maintain public peace and order in smaller communities (villages) during peace times, and the commander of those men in war.

    Their equipment consisted of round wooden shields, spears and perhaps helmets.
    Levies were mostly unarmored, but some possessed simple padded cloth shirt for protection.

    The levy was source of large, cheap, but untrained and undisciplined army of questionable reliability. Early medieval societies were also unable to keep large armies for longer period. These men were needed on their farms, or the whole food production of a region could be disrupted. However levies have their use. Properly led and motivated they can hold their ground against enemy troops long enough to provide their own cavalry time for flanking maneuvers. Likewise they can inflict serious casualties to any horseman foolish enough to change straight into their lines. Other than that they can preform garrison duties or can serve as "cannon fodder".
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    The axe was one of most widespread weapon in Slavic armies. Useful as a tool as well as a weapon it was relatively cheap to make and effective in combat.

    Most axes in use in Croatia were the typically Slavic one-handed design of narrow blade or bearded type, but also a small number of imported or captured Frankish franzisca axes was present. Other than axes they had round wooden shields with metal boss and rim, and iron helmets. Another moderate protection was offered by a padded vest (gambeson). Short mail vests, haubergons, were rare and only a few warriors had them.

    These soldiers were free members of the Croat tribes, gathered by the select levy system. Strong feelings of affiliation to their tribe and kin meant that these men were motivated for combat and reliable on battlefield. They were not paid for their service, but shared part of booty.
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    The name strilci comes from the old Croat word "strila" meaning arrow.

    The bow was perhaps the most widespread weapon used among Slavic infantry. The shape of these steel arrow-heads varied, from original shapes to others was adopted from the nomadic archers.

    The Slavs were famous for their ambushing tactics, and the Byzantines described many different strategies they used to avoid open battle. This often meant guerrilla warfare, such as keeping to forested areas where combat was made easier for and preferred by the warrior-bands, and even hiding in lakes by using reeds as snorkels.

    The Croats mostly used simple short self-bows. Such weapons are cheap, and reliable, but have an average range and unimpressive penetration power.

    The men wielding those bows are however experienced bowmen. They mostly come from hunters and shepherds who use their bows on a daily basis. These rough mountaineers are accustomed to endure heat and cold, snow and rain, living in wilderness for long periods.

    Archers however, are not suited for melee. They don't wear armor, and small round shields are their only protection. Knives and daggers are the only weapons they have for close combat. If need arises they can outrun heavy armored enemy infantry, but cavalry can catch and massacre them with ease. Because of this archers should stay protected from enemy cavalry units at all times.



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    In 9-10th century all Croatian people were divided into free (liber, ingeniuus), and non-free - slaves (servi, ancille).

    Freedom did not by any means imply social equality. Many free men were so poor that they willingly renounced their freedom in order to receive "protection" from nobles or the church. In the 11th century many free but impoverished people entered feudal contract and become peasants on landowner's land.

    The pillar of the social structure was the so-called "zadruga" or "seljačka zadruga" (seljak=villager, and zadruga can be loosely translated as cooperation). The Zadruga consisted of several generations of one or more families (several brothers and their families) that collectively owned the land they cultivated (farmland).
    Woods, pastures and lakes/rivers were considered collective ownership of tribe. One or several zadruga's formed a clan or a kin.

    Freemen and, in later periods, serfs were obliged to serve in levy contingents of the army.

    Their purpose was mostly defensive in nature, and they were not expected to go far away from their homes. Those men have families to look after, so if situation becomes disadvantageous they will flee into the woods rather than stay and die on the battlefield. Especially serfs feel unmotivated to risk their lives for their feudal masters.

    These men’s weapons of choice are javelins (sulice). The Sulica was one of the most widespread weapons among the Old Slavs and Croats. It is easy and cheap to produce, but should not be underestimated. With a lucky throw one peasant can bring down a well armored knight. Except javelins their only weapons are knives. They have no armor which makes them pretty vulnerable. Javeliners were not expected to fight in first lines, but to give support to stronger units from safe distance.



    [center:2v8914f4]Neretvani (Neretvani pirates)[/center:2v8914f4]


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    A strange principality of Slavic pirates arose at the mouth of the river Narenta in southern Dalmatia. In the description by Constantine Porphyrogenitus (10th century) this region is called Pagania, since its inhabitants had only accepted Christianity about 890, or 250 years later than the other Slavs.

    These Pagani, or Narentani (Narentines), defeated a Venetian force dispatched against them in 887, and killed Pietro I Candiano, the only Doge to die in battle.

    After this disaster they exacted tribute from Venice itself for more than a century. In 998 they were decisively defeated by an army led by Doge Pietro Orseolo II.
    However piracy in this region was not rooted out and reappeared several times in next two hundred years. Some sources call them Serbs (including Porphyrogenitus), and some Croats, but Neretvani remained separate tribe ruled by their own dukes and judges until late 11th century when they were finally assimilated into Croat nation.

    They were a ruthless band of pirates who regularly sailed out to sea from the sheltering reeds of the Neretva Delta to prey on Venetian merchant ships.

    Sometimes they even successfully attacked fortified settlements along the coast as far as the gulf of Trieste.

    The loot was split traditionally just as the catch of fish - one half goes to the provider of the ships and/or the organizer of the hunt (Prince or Archon) and the other half is split amongst the crew-members. Any surviving prisoners were sold as slaves.


    The Pirates chose their hiding place and escape route well. The Neretva Delta is a dense maze of reed beds, provided ample shelter and cover for their escape.

    Their secret villages were established far enough upriver to avoid capture, as their small boats, could navigate the narrow and shallow waters without fear of pursuit.
    The Neretvani used two basic types of ships: sagena and kondura. The Sagena (derived from Latin word sagitta - arrow) was an boat similar to Viking longboat and could have up to 40 men onboard, while the kondura was smaller and faster, 7-8 meters long with a crew of 15 sailors.

    Neretvani pirates fought as marines, firing arrows as they approached enemy ships and then boarded them and overcame the crew in hand-to hand-combat using axes.

    Often Neretvani would disembark their ships and fought on land, especially when confronted with a larger navy.

    Each pirate had a bow (some even had quality composite bows), helmet, shield and an axe. They were however lightly armored, mostly with leather armor, or did not wear any at all. Although they are archers, Neretvani are quite capable in melee. They should be able to defend themselves from enemy units and even charge enemies when conditions are right.

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    Jednostki wyglądają super. Akurat w tym roku byłem na wakacjach w Chorwacji i dlatego na twcenter ten mod przyciągnąl moją uwagę
    "Od początku do końca oceniaj człowieka tylko i wyłącznie po jego czynach."
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    Re: The Great Conflicts 872-1071

    Nowy filmik prezentujący jednostki Emiratu Krety
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZpQoOc ... r_embedded

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