Discussion - English

[Pirx]

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[Pirx]

Guys, just a quick hint:

although there are not stick rules on picking factions, we try to prevent fighting with e.g. "middle" factions against barbarian OP factions. As it is pretty uneven game, when fighting against 6 Oaths.

That is why, before games some of us ask the opponent whether he accepts to play the particular battle with factions from the group of pretty even factions. Based on our experience in Rome League (2 seasons played in past few months), we have three groups of factions:

1. Balanced

Ardiai, Armenia, Athens, Bactria, Carthage, Kimmeria, Colchidm, Egypt, Epirus, Macedonia, Massagetae, Massalia, Parthia, Pergamon, Pontus, Roxolani, Scyths, Seleucid, Sparta

2. Strong

Arevaki, Galatia, Iceni, Gethes, Lusitani, Odrysian Kingdom, Rome, Swebii

3. OP

Arverni, Boii, Nervii, Tylis

[Olkimos]

it is not a problem. really no matter. play and try to solve this problems by your builds, tactics and moves on the battlefield. furthermore it is part of strategy)

[Olkimos]

hey guys. i found that all restrictions are very small. 6 swords, 6 cavs, 6 skirmishers..... those small limits kill lots of tactics and make battles less interesting and more predictable
i guess that at least two of this limits (if not all) have to be extended to 8 max.
8 swords, 8 cavs, 8 skirmishers

[Pirx]

Well, I think it might be hard to change rules during the tournament, but if more people had the same impression, that limits should be changed, we can accept it.

I think that limit of swords at 6 is good, and it is not a coincidence that at last Cup of Nations it was max 6 and not max 8. It makes barbarian factions less powerful, and still they can beat any other faction in most scenarios.

As for max 8 cavalry or max 8 skirmishers, I think it might be interesting.

[Olkimos]

i guess we can restrict eite swords, for example i want to bring 6 mid swords and 2 levy. it is not OP, but i cant do that. but yup, this change might be hard during tournament

in other we have to change limits. 8 cavs and 8 skirmishers

[Il Duce]

I must agree,especially that some factions are suffering a lot because of this limits - for example Galatia - their swords are not that great and you can only bring six of them while enemy can spam elite spearmen wchich will slaughter galatian legionaries not to mention six Oaths or Evocati Cohorts...Also galatian raiders are quite good but since this unit count as skirmishers and we can only bring six of them i think it is not that great of a choice...

PS: I have moved the discussion to english topic ;)

[Pirx]

We have first voices and they agree to change rules, however with limitation of elite swords to max 3. Would it be good to say that elite means above 1000 cost?

[Olkimos]

not 3 max, but 4 max. if restrict elites. but im not shure about this rule, maybe do it only for barbarians. coz if u take many of such expensive units, your army will be small and more static

[Pirx]

Olkimos and I played yesterday. Olkimos was of the opinion that I might have breached the rule of "red line". That is why I would like to ask two persons to check replays and decide whether Olkimos is right. One of these persons, imo, should be Asseror, the other should be Polish player - Olkimos, please pick one.

This match is important for the final results, as both Olkimos and I are fighting for the total win. So I want to be sure, that it is all clear with respect to this game.

Background: in both games we were playing sword factions (me: Arverni, Boi; Olkimos: Suebi, Rome) and in both games I had to attack up hill. In such battles between sword factions, attacking down hill is of a great importance as it gives good bonuses to attacking units. That is why in both games I deployed my units on the flank and after the start I run uphill in close range to the red line. While Olkimos was deploying units to meet me, I managed to change an ankle and make "hill bonus" less harmful for me. But obviously, at some point Olkimos came closer and attack and obviously I was still deployed on the flank. The main question is whether at the moment of attack from Olkimos I was breaking red line rule.

[Olkimos]

rome? advantage? dont think so) anyway we could choose other map. but not this shitty shit with forests and hills.
but u run next to red line, i can do nothing wit it. i cant even work with my horse archers, coz u closed them in the corner..... as well as in both situations u where hidding all your troops in the forests... as i see it is according to the rules, so i dont care of it

but main question is: why u took old format of tournament, gladiators, with rules, that where made buy many years of playing by many players.. and then u changed everything)) it's ok, but less competitive

[Pirx]

Because it is more fun, at least to most of guys here. I didn't hear any complaints before. For me the most important thing is that we fight on strange maps of first choosing. That you might be in poor position at the beginning, but during the battle you may change that (even if it means running at some point close to red line). It is now not all about formation, spaghetti lines etc. It is also as much about using forests, hills, hiding troops etc.

This is fun tournament with less competitive format (indeed), but with more things that may surprise us. I could write much more, but you either like it or not. There is nothing more we can do about it.

Regarding our game, do you want our games to be checked by other players or you don't care and we leave the score?

[Olkimos]

u said everything. this is fun tournament with less competitive format) i dont care, u can post result, anyways our relationships worth more then score for me.
and if i wasnt agree with something, i'd write here by myself) u didnt have to do that, just post result man, it's ok)

in 2nd battle my troops lost formation and stood wrong, i hadnt chances from this moment, because i hadnt time to regroup)

[Pirx]

Ok mate.