Europa Barbarorum II

Z tymi jednostkami jest różnie ;). W pierwszym wydaniu będzie ok 180 jednostek i uwzględniamy tu jednostki frakcyjne i regionalne.
Jedne frakcje będą miały mniej tych corowych jednostek inne więcej, ale wszystko będzie zbalansowane jednostkami regionalnymi więc nie powinno być źle.
Dobrym przykładem jest ostatnia zapowiedź, gdzie pokazano jednostki iberyjskie będące częścią armii kartagińskiej, ale też armii iberyjskich. Kartagina (i nie tylko) będzie też mogła rekrutować jednostki regionalne w Afryce Północnej, które także pokazano w jednej z zapowiedzi.Tak samo będzie z innymi nacjami. Dużo jednostek mają też celtowie, co widać po opublikowanych już zapowiedziach.
Inna sprawa, że w zapowiedziach nie ma opublikowanych wszystkich jednostek. Coś jednak musi pozostać naszą tajemnicą ;)

A wiadomo kiedy będzie pierwsze wydanie moda?

Wyjdzie jak się zrobi ;). Nic innego w tej chwili nie mogę powiedzieć na ten temat.

EDIT: Krótkie info po angielsku z TWC n/t obecnego statusu modyfikacji

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The status is that the areas which were thought to be the biggest problems like units, animations or campaign map graphics due to the general lack of people with experience and the time it takes to train new ones have the best progress at this moment being more than 90% done.

And it was a ton of work to do there where thousands or even more man-hours of work was put.
Just to imagine only the current unit files are responsible for 1GB and that's just for half of the units that EB2 to have and also not complete for the first version.

However later we sadly lost important members who where responsible for game mechanics: traits, unit recruitment, units stats, scripting and so on. Due to various reasons that we must respect, in the end we all have RL issues and families to take care of.
Thus those areas suffer the most and are the main reason we don't have a release yet.

Although we have some new members as of recently to take care of those areas we still need more as it's still quite a lot to do.

Like all of the fans we also are frustrated by the fact we have no release or a release date until now.
But we are powerless since we cannot control people's motivation or even ours as we have responsibilities and do this in our free time out of pleasure. This doesn't covers our expenses and it's in fact the opposite.

It would be nice if everyone would understand these and try to show us support in any way possible rather than simple rants.
By trying to spread the word to get other interested in helping EB2, by some simple words and I'm sure there are many other.

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Mam pytanie czy w ogóle możliwe jest zrobienie jakieś rozumniej dyplomacji, bo z tego co zauważyłem seria Total war nieprzypadkowe tak się nazywa, nie chodzi mi tu o jakieś cuda na kiju ale coś na poziomie europy Universalis i innych gier tego cyklu, czyli możliwe podpisanie pokoju na warunkach ze coś ktoś płaci zwraca miasto o ile się ułozyły tak strony jak w każdym normalnym układzie pokojowym, żeby były jakieś przyczyny do wojny a nie atakuje cie jakaś frakcja bo ma takiego humor. Przydałoby eis jeszcze jakiś efekt zmęczenia wojna czy ograniczony manpower, po którym sam lud naciskał by ciebie do zawarcia pokoju nawet na niekorzystnych warunkach. No i co mnie osobiscie wkurzało w EB1 jakiś zacofany mały region z populacja 500 pipoli, buntuje się i dostaje ni z gruchy ni pietruchy nagle cała flagę doborowych wojaków, bo jak na mój gust trzeba byłoby dopasował możliwości buntowników do możliwości samej prowincji

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Zamieszczone przez arcyżużel

Mam pytanie czy w ogóle możliwe jest zrobienie jakieś rozumniej dyplomacji, bo z tego co zauważyłem seria Total war nieprzypadkowe tak się nazywa, nie chodzi mi tu o jakieś cuda na kiju ale coś na poziomie europy Universalis i innych gier tego cyklu...

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Czyli "cuda na kiju" :) . Nie wiem na ile autorzy moda poprawią dyplomację, ale o poziomie EU możesz zapomnieć. Silnik Medievala (i jakiejkolwiek innej części tej serii, z Rome 2 włącznie - jestem tego niemal pewien) nie pozwala na tak rozbudowane i całkiem logiczne zależności między państwami.

Na skryptach i na mechanice gry to ja się niestety nie znam ;). Tak jak wspomina Baal, możliwości M2TW są ograniczone i raczej pewnych rzeczy nie przeskoczymy.

Poniżej wywiad w wersji angielskiej, który ukazał sie dla francuskojęzycznego forum fanów serii TW. Zapraszam do poczytania :)
[spoiler:n4zon6kx]MundusBellicus :First I would like to thank you Red_Devil, to have accepted to answer to this interview. Could you present yourself and tell us how you came to mod M2TW?

Well, thank you for giving the team the opportunity to express itself after the latest preview. I’m actually studying in a French engineering school, and spend my free time lurking on the TWC mod workshop for tutorials. The first time I saw the awesome work made by KingKong on middle earth custom settlements, I knew that was what I wanted to do. But I’m still pretty interested in every aspect of M2TW modding

MundusBellicus :You’re modding a very particular aspect of the total war series, being the creation of custom settlements. In fact, your first appearance on twcenter, after your custom battles is your work on Dol Amroth. Why did you choose to work on this particular aspect of Total War modding, also given the fact that it is mostly worked on by experienced modders.

Actually, it isn’t that hard once you understand how the tool works. Thanks to Makanyane and Wilddog, the IWTE is very user friendly and I bet any beginner could by spending some time exploring and testing the tool, with some help (the IWTE thread is very helpful…) and having the will to work enough. You can have a look at my tutorial on TWC or the org…
My will to mod settlements is first because I got bored of always seeing the same castle/city structure. I’ve always appreciated the TW series, but knowing I could customize some cities as I wished (with some limitations of course) was very thrilling. Giving your own vision of how a city should look like is very gratifying and is a very concrete aspect of modding: after adding new material, you can test your work immediately and see how it looks. Just imagine building Rome piece after piece!

MundusBellicus :How did you come to join the EB team ? Why did you choose this mod to help with?

Like everyone, I posted some part of my work on their recruitment thread, and they answered my call. Once I proved I was motivated enough, they admitted me in their team.
I discovered the mod not so long ago (a few months really) and since I’m really a great roman history fan, I thought that it was one of the best ways to contribute in some useful project… Then I discovered the real purpose of the mod: give more credit to the non-roman factions, so I started working on barbarian cities.

MundusBellicus : EB2 is a mod that is actually working on being very historically precise,and this is what makes it’s force. How does that influence your work?

Given the fact that one settlement group is affected to one culture, it is necessary to make some compromise in the settlements design. We have had to combine some architectural styles to satisfy the compatibility between for different factions. The historians also give me some material to work on, as source, and correct any big mistakes that may have been made on some models design.

MundusBellicus :On what sources do you help yourself to build your settlements? Where does the working material the team comes from?

Most of the material I work from is provided by the EBII historians from either university libraries, their own private collections or websites dedicated to specific archaeological sites, such as the website for Mont-Beauvray. Brennus unitil now, has provided me most of the necessary sources on the barbarian settlements. I also seek my own material when possible on the internet, being very careful on the pertinence of the source. As soon as I know what the team wants from me it is possible to begin to look up images and articles of specific structures. []Aba also helps on 3D models and has started to work on another culture to speed the work up. He gets the same help from the historians concentrating on his culture..

MundusBellicus :EB1 certainly is one of the most appreciated mods of RTW by it’s historical accuracy which is very hardly reproducable. We know that R2TW will be more of a “hbo-hollywood” kind of game, bringing more players in, and we can feel that since the announcement of its development, the team has augmented its work load. Do you question yourself on the means to bring in more people to play EB2 without sacrificing the historical accuracy?

We do not feel that our recent influx of modding talent will sacrifice the mod's historical accuracy. This is firstly because we have not lowered our rigorous selection standards for becoming a team member, and secondly because we have largely been recruiting non-historian team members of late. We managed to create EBI with a team most of whose members were either historical subject specialists, or else were artists or coders who specialised in implementing the historians' ideas into the game, but who were rarely both. To that effect, our historical team is currently fairly well-staffed, but we would like to remind readers of our appeal for any willing coders and programmers to join the EBII development team.

MundusBellicus : Do you intend to build historical cities such as Alexandria or Rome?

Honestly, I don’t think so. Firstly, in the first release, it will be hard enough to finish all the settlements for each cultures, so I’ll have to concentrate on the generic settlements. Perhaps it’ll go faster if someone joins us to help me on the IWTE, making other cities.
Secondly, as some say, the time span of the mod would mean that the town would need to evolve which can be hard to do. I have a few ideas on how to do such thing, but it will be in a very distant future!

MundusBellicus : This question is adressed to the EB2 historians : How is your work on EB2 perceived given the fact that the mod is supposed to reproduce the most accurate historical environment, while the player’s aim still remains as in all TW game, to rewrite history?

Our aim is provide the most historically accurate representation of Europe, North Africa and western Asia in 272BC as possible, this includes the diplomatic relations which existed between the various factions at this date (as far as we know), victory conditions which aim to either reproduce the greatest territorial extent of the factions (for example Rome or briefly the Arche Seleukia, Pontos and Hayasdan) or the greatest territorial extent these factions might have attained had history been slightly different (Getae, Karthadistim and Epeiros for example and reforms which occurred/would have occurred in history under certain circumstances.
If the player wishes to, they can use the framework we have provided and reproduce history.Alternatively the player can re-write history as they see fit; although we strive for historical accuracy it is always interesting to see players marching Gallic armies into India or using Carthaginian elephants to cross the Scottish Highlands.

MundusBellicus : So far we’ve had a few previews on the game mechanism such as the tribes system. How many of such mechanisms will be included in the mod? Will the modders continue presenting them in the developers blog ?

Lately we have been developing a few mechanisms with the help of the scripters we have just recruited. Since there has been not much advance on this part because of a lack of scripters, we haven’t shown much, but expect some news in the near future on our latest work on events, traits and ancillaries, building systems, new artworks, the last units etc…
On how much mechanisms will be included, I cannot say, there is still much work to do and all the research that has been made on some factions will have to wait after the first release given the complexity of the project’s script.
We also intend to work with other modding teams, exchanging some script concepts.

MundusBellicus :Some members of our forums are working on an EB1 sub mod to enhance a few aspects of the game that were left out such as the indigenous and Greeks in Lagide Egypt (?translation)the Hellenic league, and political fights between Optimates and populares. Can you reassure us on those points telling us they are being considered in EB2?

Certainly, mechanisms which more accurately represent the tension between various political factions and social groups within an individual politic, such as democratic or oligarchic groups or urban or rural populations, or conservative or radical factions, are being considered by the EB team. EBII strives to show the political complexities and realities of the ancient world and internal conflict was as important, if not more so, than external threats to the historical process in the Eurasian world of the 3rd -1st centuries BC.

MundusBellicus : Is the assassination/spy viedo project still in the scope of the mod ?

The assassination/spy video project is still in works. A number of videos were shot for different cultures, which was a fun experience for everyone involved. Some delays occurred in recovering all of that footage, but it is all safe now and work has begun on the editing. Whether or not this feature makes an appearance in the first release of EB2 is now dependent on time and manpower. There are a lot of features we want to implement in the first release, and even more we want to implement in later releases. So for now, our collective fingers are crossed and work goes on. - Tanit

MundusBellicus : EB2 is a mod that takes a lot of time in developping. It’s often due to technical problems, linked to the M2TW engine, but don’t you think the team takes a lot of time to progress on a certain number parts in the conception ans stays stuck on some point?

Yes, and that’s to our greatest regrets. As you may have seen in our last preview, we made a clear statement on how the mod fares. We have a great need of experimented scripters on the M2TW engine. These last few days, we have had a few new scripters answering our appeal to programmers, and the team will be able to progress on the most important aspect of EB2.
But we still need some help. A lot needs to be done especially in the building, recruitment, traits/ancillaries and campaign scripts.

MundusBellicus :What about phalanxes, did you manage to make some progress on that point ?

Well, actually I don’t know much about that point… I know that animations have already been presented. If it hasn’t been done already, we will have to rework the AI and the statistics, but honestly I’m always discovering some stuff in this mod after a few months of presence!

MundusBellicus :Most of us are conscious that EB2 will certainly bring a few breakouts in the M2TW modding community. What are according to you the most significant aspects of EB2 that makes it “better” than other mods? What makes it special?

Firstly, we would like to point out that we are not in the business of calling ourselves "better" than other mods. This is firstly because we respect other modding teams' efforts in their own right, and secondly because we feel that asking which of an ancient-era, a Medieval-era, and a 'Lord of the Rings'-themed mod is objectively the "best" is arguably meaningless.
That aside, what we feel makes EBII special is its commitment to historical accuracy and the immersion it will offer the player into the world of antiquity. This we seek to achieve through such features as a revamped buildings system [we hope!]; ancient-era strategy-map and battlefield buildings, all of them based on archaeological and historical evidence; and new voicemods, including Sanskrit.

MundusBellicus :EB2 will certainly enhance the M2TW experience in terms of graphics and scripts. Are you not afraid that a certain number of players will be limited in gameplay because of some computer limitations or a lack of optimization of M2TW on more recnt PCs?

I believe that most players have had a new PC since the release of M2TW kingdoms, so better specs. I am convinced that only a very small number of persons will experience problems of optimization with the mod. But we won’t be sure before the mod is released.

MundusBellicus : Still concerning the game’s engine, we already know that some of your modders have managed to « crack » the 252 soldier limit for each unit. Will this be exploited? What other limitations will be turned down?

Yes, among release we will contact CA and ask them if they object on using a modified version of the .exe. However users will still need to have the original M2TW game.
For now it was the only one investigated and at the moment the new limit is 302, since the engine has some other internal limits for some reasons.

MundusBellicus :The mundus bellicus team translates the whole EB mod in French. Some of us wonder if the texts were going to change or if a great number of them will be ported from EB...

Since a lot of the units have been dedesigned for EBII, and the historical evidence underpinning them reassessed, this has in many cases necessitated us to re-write the units' descriptions, since their EBI variants were no longer appropriate for their new iterations.[/spoiler:n4zon6kx]

Ten błąd z superbuntownikami to bolączka samego Rome, na zdrowy rozum, jeśli w zdobytym mieście buntują się cywile, to powinni mieć jakieś słabo uzbrojone i niedoświadczone jednostki typu zbuntowani niewolnicy i chłopi, ewentualnie nieco lepszych wojaków plemiennych i najemników. A tam wyskakiwały często najlepsze jednostki danej frakcji (niektóre dostępne dopiero dużo później), na dodatek mające full doświadczenia i najlepsze wyposażenie. O wyskakiwaniu nagle kilkutysięcznej armii w wiosce 500 ludzi już nawet nie mówię, bo to absurd totalny. Niestety EB to odziedziczyło po podstawce.
Nie pamiętam już, czy w Medievalu 2 było podobnie, ale jeśli tak, to można się spodziewać, że ten mod też może mieć podobne problemy.

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Zamieszczone przez "arcyżużel":5isqr37w

Mam pytanie czy w ogóle możliwe jest zrobienie jakieś rozumniej dyplomacji, bo z tego co zauważyłem seria Total war nieprzypadkowe tak się nazywa, nie chodzi mi tu o jakieś cuda na kiju ale coś na poziomie europy Universalis i innych gier tego cyklu...

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Czyli "cuda na kiju" :) . Nie wiem na ile autorzy moda poprawią dyplomację, ale o poziomie EU możesz zapomnieć. Silnik Medievala (i jakiejkolwiek innej części tej serii, z Rome 2 włącznie - jestem tego niemal pewien) nie pozwala na tak rozbudowane i całkiem logiczne zależności między państwami.[/quote:5isqr37w]


No ok, ale kiedy podbijam wszystkie prowincje danego państwa i oferuję mu zwrot np. 3 w zamian za protektorat a on odmawia, to chyba da się jakoś naprawić, czy jestem w błędzie?

Wystarczyłaby taka jak jes w Bellum Crucis - oparta na logicznych zasadach. Masz dobre stosunki z sąsiadem np na poziomie 8- nie atakuje Cie. Nie ma dziwnych blokowań portów- zdrad sojuszników. Chyba największa bolączka Rome. By dyplomacja przede wszystkim nie przeszkadzała w rozgrywce ;)

A czy jest wykonalne, zeby jednostki w armii, zamku lub miescie byly posortowane - tak jak np w STW2? Nie wiem jak dla innych, ale dla mnie to zmora tej serii.