Total War: WARHAMMER II - Dyskusja Ogólna

**ares354** · 30-05-2018, 17:38

Wysokie Elfy żadnych nerfow na jednostkach nie dostały, może coś w Magi.

-Z potężnych zmian jakie są to Wampirzy Lordowie są jeszcze lepszymi wojownikami, buff
-Waaag działa na całą mapę.
-Król Zabójców z nową umiejętnością, podobnie Thorgrim.
-Karl Franz dostał +3 d o obrony w w zwarciu, myślę że teraz będzie OP.
-Skarsnik dostał zauważalny buff
-Archaon everchosen dostał zauważalnego buffa. Podobnie jak większość czarodziejów chaosu.
-Orion dostał też sporego buffa
-Konstrukty TK dostały nerfy
-Topowa Jazda Wampirów dostała buff
-Topowa Jazda Imperium dostałą nerf w ataku a buff do obrony. Cała jazda Imperium ma więcej masy.
-Piechota Jaszczurów buff do masy, jakieś nerfy.
-Kapłan Bitewny dostał pancerz!!i jest droższy o 100.
-Malekith dostał buffa\nerfa na Rydwanie.
-Artyleria Imperium dostała zauważalne zmiany, szczególnie Wyrzutnia Rakiet i Luminark.
-Krell jest mocniejszy.
-Belegar dostał nowe skille w drzewku
-Khazrak dostał buffy.
HE i DE nie dostały żadnych zmian mających is dominację jakoś balansować, z tego co można wyczytać na forum.

**Il Duce** · 30-05-2018, 19:02

Hej, a czy Norska bedzie mozna grac w kampani wiru czy tylko Mortal ?

Tylko w ME. Ale może kiedyś Norska się doczeka lorda, który dostanie pozycję startową łapiącą się do mapy z dwójki.

Zamieszczone przez Pyrrus89

Właśnie trochę pisałem to w kontekście trzeciej części. Jeśli sprzedaż Warhammer II nie będzie zadowalająca (a podobno jest sporo słabsza od jedynki), to możliwe, że w kolejnej pojadą po kosztach.

Według serwisu SteamSpy jest porównywalna,natomiast Brytania dość kiepsko się sprzedała a do tego ma fatalne oceny. Myślę,że o przyszłości studia zaważy Three Kingdoms i to jak się przyjmie na rynku. Jakkolwiek by się to nie potoczyło to CA samo jest sobie winne zbyt długim eksploatowaniem Warscape, który na dobrą sprawę powinien zostać odstawiony do lamusa po Napoleonie...

**SaperHeart** · 31-05-2018, 08:25

Unit Balancing

Tomb Kings

Doubled the healing amount of Realm of Souls.
Arkhan – Tomb Blade of Arkhan now summons a large unit of Skeleton Warriors instead of healing. Liber Mortis now gives +8 leadership, duration reduced from 20 to 15.
Settra – Khemrian Warsphinx: -15 armour, -292 health, -8 charge bonus
Settra – Chariot of the Gods: -5 melee attack, -3 melee defence, +35 ap melee damage, +5 bonus vs. infantry, +15 base melee damage.
Tomb King – Khemrian Warsphinx mount: -15 armour, -292 health, -8 charge bonus
Khalida (Necroserpent): +350 mass
Khemrian Warsphinx: -15 armour, -480 health, -8 charge bonus.
Necrosphinx: -10 armour, -408 health, -8 charge bonus, -7 melee defence, +3 melee attack
Sphinx of Usepkh: -10 armour, -472 health, -8 charge bonus, -7 melee defence, +1 melee attack
Hierotitan: -10 armour, -7 melee defence.
Skeleton Chariots: -150 mp cost
Skeleton Archer Chariots: -150 mp cost
Blessed Legion of Phakth: -7 melee attack, -3 melee defence.
King Nekhesh’s Scorpion Legion: -1 charge bonus, -6 melee attack, -1 melee defence.
Sepulchral Stalkers RoR: -1 melee attack, +6 melee defence.
Tomb Scorpion: -10 armour, -320 health.
Ushabti: -10 armour
Ushabti (Great Bows): -10 armour
Chosen of the Gods: -10 armour, -5 melee attack, +2 melee defence.
Necropolis Knights (all): +350 mass
Screaming Skull Catapult: Slightly increased accuracy

Opinia: Królowie Grobowców dostają mocnego nerfa, szczególnie skierowanego w stronę Konstruktów.

Vampire Counts

Hexwraiths: +2 health per entity
Cairnwraiths: +2 health per entity
Dire Wolves: +7 health per entity, +4 charge bonus
Direpack: +7 health per entity, +4 charge bonus, -2 melee defence
Terrorgheist: -100 health, -2 charge bonus
Vampire Lord: +4 melee attack, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage
Vampire Lord – Barded Nightmare: +4 melee attack, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage
Vampire Lord – Hellsteed: +4 melee attack, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage
Mannfred von Carstein: +4 melee attack, -50 cost, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage
Mannfred von Carstein – Barded Nightmare: +4 melee attack, -50 cost, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage
Mannfred von Carstein – Hellsteed: +4 melee attack, -50 cost, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage
Helman Ghorst: Liber Noctus now deals on average 30% less damage to self.
Krell: +20 bonus vs. large, +5 hit reaction ignore chance, +5 knock interrupt chance, +450 mass. Removed wind up time from Lord of Undeath.
Wight King (all): +14 bonus vs. infantry
Chillgheists: +2 health per entity, -2 melee defence
Verek’s Reavers: -3 melee defence
Strigoi Ghoul King – Terrorgheist: -32 health
Vlad von Carstein: +4 melee attack, +30 ap melee damage, +20 base melee damage, added Arcane Conduit in mp
Feasters in the Dusk: -2 melee defence
Konigstein Stalkers: -3 melee defence, -50 cost
Sternsmen: -3 melee defence
Tithe: -1 melee defence
Devils of Swartzhafen: -2 melee defence, +10 ap melee damage, -10 base melee damage
Vargheists: +10 ap melee damage, -10 base melee damage
Mortis Engine: Reliquary Corruption aura now deactivates out of melee.
Claw of Nagash: -1 melee defence. Reliquary Corruption aura now deactivates out of melee.
Red Duke – Foot: +10 charge bonus, +20 ap melee damage, +30 base melee damage
Red Duke – Barded Nightmare: +10 charge bonus, +20 ap melee damage, +30 base melee damage
Red Duke – Hellsteed: +10 charge bonus, +20 ap melee damage, +30 base melee damage
Vampire (all): +50 cost, +30 ap melee damage, +20 melee base damage
Varghulf: -50 cost
Skeleton Spearmen: -25 cost
Blood Knights: +2 ap melee damage, +330 mass

Opinia: Lordowie Wampirów i Krwawi Rycerze mocny buff. Jedyne co mnie odpycha to, że teraz mamy 4 Lordów, którzy mają MA 70 i różnią się tylko umiejętnościami. Dla mnie to takie ctrl+c, ctrl + v. IMO, Red Diuk również powinien otrzymać te +4 MA. Eteryki delikatny buff.

Dark Elves

Death Hag (on foot): -15 missile resistance, +20 physical resistance
Death Hag – Blood Cauldron: Bloodshield of Khaine changed from +11% physical resistance to +6% physical resistance.
Dreadlord (Sword & Shield) – Black Dragon: +4 melee attack
Dreadlord (Sword & Crossbow) – Black Dragon: +4 melee attack
Malekith – Cold One Chariot: + 3 melee attack, -8 melee defence, -2 bonus vs. infantry, +70 ap melee damage, +30 base melee damage.
Sorceress – Cold One: Removed Primal Instinct ability
Khainite Assassin: +20 ap melee damage
Cold One Dread Knights: -50 cost
Shades (Dual Weapons): -50 cost
Shades (Greatswords): -50 cost
Hydra: Fiery Breath now targets unit centre by default.

Opinia: Ogólnie buff, szczególnie zmniejszenie kosztów na shadach i Zimnonokrwistych.

Lizardmen

Kroq-gar (foot): +600 mass
Horned Ones: +1 melee attack, +100 mass
Kroq-gar – Grymloq: -412 health, -8 charge bonus
Saurus Old Blood – Carnosaur: -396 health, -8 charge bonus
Saurus Scar Veteran – Carnosaur: -376 health, -8 charge bonus
Feral Carnosaur: -374 health, -8 charge bonus
Skink Priest – Terradon: increased rider projectile hit box
Skink Chief: -5 ap missile damage, -5 missile base damage.
Skink Chief – Terradon: increased rider projectile hit box
Kroxigors: +3 ap melee damage, +1 base melee damage
Saurus Warriors (all): +30 mass
Saurus Spearmen: +2 melee defence, +30 mass
Saurus Spearmen (Shields): +2 melee defence, +30 mass
Temple Guard: +20 mass

Opinia: Jaszczurki po terapii koksowej

Ogólnie buff, tylko Carnosaury dostały znaczącego nerfa.

High Elves

Princess (all): +30 ap missile damage, +20 base missile damage.
Prince – Sun Dragon: -100 cost
Sun Dragon: -100 cost
Tyrion: +1 run speed, +2 charge speed
Mage – Ithilmar Chariot: -1 collision attack max targets

Opinia: Buff dla smoków

Skaven

Plague Priest – Plague Furnace: -10 armour, Billowing Death aura now deactivates out of melee.
Death Globe Bombardiers: +1 explosion base damage, +3 explosion ap damage.
Warpfire Throwers: +2 explosion base damage, +1 explosion ap damage.
Plagueclaw Catapult: slightly increased accuracy
Gutter Runner Slingers (both): +2 missile base damage
Night Runner Slingers: +1 missile base damage

Opinia: Jeszcze większa skuteczność artylerii.

Warriors of Chaos

Archaon – Foot: +750 mass
Archaon – Dorghar: +12 run speed, +300 mass
Chaos Lord (all): +5 leadership
Chaos Sorcerer Lord – Manticore: +164 health, +25 ap melee damage, +40 base melee damage
Chaos Sorcerer – Manticore: +45 ap melee damage, +65 base melee damage
Exalted Hero – Foot: +260 health, +4 leadership
Exalted Hero – Chaos Steed: +10 armour, +384 health, +4 leadership
Exalted Hero – Barded Chaos Steed: +384 health, +4 leadership
Exalted Hero – Manticore: +164 health, +4 leadership, +15 ap melee damage, +15 base melee damage
Chaos Feral Manticore: +10 ap melee damage, +5 base melee damage
Kholek: -432 health, -8 charge bonus
Sarthorael the Ever-Watcher: reduced collision height, increased projectile hit box, added Arcane Conduit in mp
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth: -430 health, -8 charge bonus
Dragon Ogres: +5 armour, +34 health per entity
Marauder Horsemen (javelins): +25 cost
Hellcannon: now uses a fixed trajectory corrected by homing. Improves Hellcannon projectile homing.

Opinia: Shaggothy dostały mocnego nerfa (-500hp dla mnie to ogromny nerf), a Lordowie i Herosi Buffa.

Greenskins

Waaagh! is now a map-wide ability that gives +26 melee attack, +18% charge bonus and +24% speed for 30 seconds, which recharges in melee.
Wurrzag: Added Waaagh! Ability in mp. Wurrzag’s Warpaint changed from +11% physical resistance to +6% physical resistance.
Goblin Great Shaman: Added Waaagh! Ability in mp
Grimgor: +500 mass, +3 melee defence
Skarsnik: +1300 mass (Gobbla has been eating a lot of stunties as of late)
Orc Boar Boyz: +2 melee attack
Savage Orc Boar Boy Big Uns: +2 melee attack, +100 mass
Savage Orc Boar Boyz: +2 melee attack, +100 mass,
Hammer of Gork: -4 melee attack, -2 melee defence
Broken Tusks Mob: -3 melee attack, +3 melee defence, +2 leadership
Deff Creepers: -5 melee attack, -1 melee attack
Durkit’s Squigs: -2 melee defence
Mogrubb’s Mangy Marauders: -5 melee attack, -1 melee defence, +1 leadership
Moon-Howlers: -3 melee attack, +1 melee defence, -50 cost
Teef Robbers: +3 melee defence
Da Eight Peaks Loonies: -4 melee attack, +1 melee defence
Da Rusty Arrerz: -4 melee attack
Da Warlordz Boyz: -2 melee defence, +4 leadership
Krimson Killerz: +2 leadership
Venom Queen: -4 melee attack, +1 melee defence
Goblin Rock Lobber: slightly increased accuracy

Opinia: Uważam, że po zmianie Waaagh! Orki dostały ogromnego buffa. Szczególnie, że w takie sytuacji prawie wszystkie oddziały robią się strasznie zabójcze przez te 30 sekund. Dodatkowo, sterydy dla Grimgora i Skarsnika, lekki buff dla Dzikusów i nerfik dla RoRów

Wood Elves

Forest Stalker forest melee defence modifier changed from +20% to +15%
Ancient Treeman: -432 health
Durthu: -432 health
Orion: +15 bonus vs. large, +134 ap missile damage, +30 base missile damage.
Wild Riders: -100 mass
Sisters of the Thorn: max 2 uses on Shield of Thorns, max 1 use on Curse of Anraheir

Opinia: Mocny nerf na Drzewcach i duży buff dla Oriona.

Beastmen

Khazrak – Foot: +650 mass. Dark Mail now always affects wizards in a 40m radius rather than relying on them to be casting inside the range. Debuff changed to -18 armour and -9 melee defence.
Khazrak – Razorgor Chariot: added vanguard deployment, +2 melee attack, +40 ap melee damage, -1 collision attack max targets, +10 base melee damage, +0.2 melee attack interval.
Beastlord – Razorgor Chariot: +2 melee attack, replaced Call of Violence with Apocalyptic Vision, +40 ap melee damage, -1 collision attack max targets, +10 base melee damage, +0.2 melee attack interval.
Bray-Shaman Chariot: -1 collision attack max targets, +0.2 melee attack interval.
Minotaurs (all): +2 charge bonus
Feral Manticore: +10 ap melee damage, +5 base melee damage
Centigors: -50 mass
Cygor: slightly reduced accuracy

Opinia: Razorgor Chariot duży buff.

Empire

Balthasar Gelt – Barded Warhorse: added Hide in forest
Balthasar Gelt – Warhorse: added Hide in forest
Empire Wizards (all): Changed Channelling Staff item to new Scroll of Blast item.
Boris Todbringer (all): +5 leadership
Boris Todbringer – Barded Warhorse: +5 armour
Karl Franz: +3 melee defence
Witch Hunter: added immune to psychology, added magical attacks, reduced missile penetration. Accusation now has 3 max uses.
Empire Captain – Barded Warhorse: +5 armour
Empire General – Barded Warhorse: +5 armour
Warrior Priests (all): +35 armour, +100 cost.
Empire Knights: +50 mass
Reiksguard: +50 mass
Knights of the Blazing Sun: +50 mass
Crossbowmen: +1 ap missile damage, -1 base missile damage
Handgunners: +1 ap missile damage, +1 base missile damage.
Great Cannon: slightly increased accuracy
Steam Tank: +1537 health, -5 melee attack, +15 bonus vs infantry
Luminark of Hysh: +2 ammo, -95 ap missile damage, -55 base missile damage, -30 explosion base damage, -70 explosion ap damage, improved long range accuracy, -1 sec reload time, -400 cost. Aura of Protection now gives +12% ward save in 40m radius and deactivates when available magic power is below 15. Locus of Hysh now passively reduces enemy magic power recharge rate by -20% for each wizard in play.
Templehof Luminark: +2 ammo, -95 ap missile damage, -55 base missile damage, -30 explosion base damage, -70 explosion ap damage, improved long range accuracy, -1 sec base reload time, +4 melee attack, +3 melee defence, -300 cost. (ability changes as above)
Hammer of the Witches: -4 melee attack, -2 melee defence, -100 cost, slightly increased accuracy.
Sunmaker: -4 melee attack, -2 melee defence, -150 cost, slightly reduced accuracy, projectile now 70% ap damage, explosion damage is now 70% armour piercing, -20 explosion base damage, +25 explosion ap damage, +1 detonation radius.
Helstorm Rocket Battery: -150 cost, projectile now 70% ap damage, -20 explosion base damage, +25 explosion ap damage, +1 detonation radius.
Helblaster Volley Gun: -100 cost, +6 ap missile damage, +4 base missile damage.
Royal Altdorf Gryphites: -4 melee attack, +3 melee defence
Zintler’s Reiksguard: -2 charge bonus, -3 melee attack, +3 melee defence, +2 leadership
Sigmar’s Sons: -2 melee defence, -50 cost
Silver Bullets: -2 melee defence, +1 base missile damage
Stirland’s Revenge: -4 melee attack, -25 cost
Pistoliers: +10 range, increased accuracy

Opinia: Steam Tank ogromny buff, plus lekkie wzmocnienie bohaterów, szczególnie Kapłana.

Dwarfs

Thorgrim: Added new Oath of Vengeance ability, allowing Thorgrim to reduce the melee defence of an enemy unit.
Ungrim: Added new Red Ruin ability, allowing Ungrim to trade melee defence for significantly more weapon strength.
Grombrindal: +2 melee defence
Tweaked Dwarf generic character item choices for multiplayer battles
Runelord – Anvil of Power: +150 cost, added Locus of Power ability to be automatic
Master Engineer: Improved accuracy, increased range by +35, increased projectile mass and velocity,
Grumbling Guard: added charge defence vs large, -2 charge bonus, +2 melee attack, -1 melee defence, -40 mass
Longbeards (all): -40 mass
Gob Lobber: -2 melee attack, +4 melee defence, slightly increased accuracy
Grudge Thrower: slightly increased accuracy
Dragonback Slayers: -2 charge bonus, -5 melee attack, +12 melee defence
Ekrund Miners: -2 melee defence
Ironbreakers: -20 mass
Norgrimlings Ironbreakers: -4 melee attack, +4 melee defence, -1 leadership, -20 mass
Skoldr Guard: -3 melee defence
Peak Gate Guard: -4 charge bonus, -2 melee defence, -50 cost.
Ulthar’s Raiders: -3 melee attack, +3 melee defence, +6 leadership
Warriors of Dragonfire Pass: -3 melee attack, +3 melee defence
Skyhammer: -1 melee defence, increased clattergun accuracy
Gyrobomber: increased clattergun accuracy
Bugman’s Rangers: -20 mass

Opinia: RoRy Nerf

Bretonnia

All non-flying knights: +50 mount mass
Alberic: Spirit of the Tempest is now an uncommon ability, costing 162
Prophetess (all): Changed Sceptre of Stability item to new Scroll of Assault of Stone item.
Pegasus Knights & Royal Pegasus Knights: reduced unit spacing distance, allowing more men to connect with their charge
Questing Knights: +5 charge bonus, -100 cost.
Battle Pilgrims: +1 health per entity
Foot Squires: +1 health per entity
Grail Relique: -866 health, -100 cost.
Knights of the Realm: -50 cost.
Paladin – Barded Warhorse: +5 armour
Green Knight: +600 mass
Blessed Field Trebuchet: +16 explosion ap damage, -10 explosion base damage, +1 explosion radius, slightly improved accuracy.
Field Trebuchet: slightly improved accuracy

Opinia: IMO Ogromny buff dla Questing Knights (-100 to bardzo dużo w ich przypadku). Relikwiarz Grala mocny nerf + lekki koks masy koni.

Abilities Improvements

Lore of Beasts:
Curse of Anraheir: Increased duration from 33 to 39.
Amber Spear: -55 ap missile damage, +150 base missile damage.
Amber Spear Upgraded: -110 ap missile damage, +300 base missile damage.
Lore of Big Waaagh!:
Gaze of Mork (& Upgraded): +40 ap missile damage, -40 base missile damage.
Lore of High Magic:
Fiery Convocation: removed random direction change angle.
Hand of Glory: increased duration from 22 to 29.
Soul Quench: +200 ap missile damage, -200 base missile damage.
Soul Quench Upgraded: +348 ap missile damage, -348 base missile damage.
Lore of Fire:
Fireball: +200 ap missile damage, -200 base missile damage.
Lore of Vampires:
Vanhel’s Danse Macabre (& Upgraded): Duration increased from 25 to 29.
Curse of Years: Duration increased from 28 to 32.
Gaze of Nagash (& Upgraded): -23 ap projectile damage, +33 base projectile damage.
Lore of Light:
Birona’s Timewarp (& Upgraded): Duration increased from 41 to 50.
Shem’s Burning Gaze: -16 projectile ap damage, +22 projectile damage.
Shem’s Burning Gaze Upgraded: -32 projectile ap damage, +44 projectile damage
Light of Battle: -1 power cost
Lore of Lil’ Waaagh!:
Vindictive Glare: +40 ap missile damage, -40 missile base damage.
Night Shroud: -1 power cost
Night Shroud Upgraded: -2 power cost
Lore of Death:
Fate of Bjuna: Changed entity hit chance from 0.25 to 0.18. Now needs 50 entities to max out on damage. +2 power cost.
Lore of Ruin:
Skitterleap: -1 power cost
Skitterleap Upgraded: -2 power cost
The Dreaded Thirteenth Spell: -1 power cost
Other abilities
Guardian: changed from +22% physical resistance to +18% physical resistance
Forbidden Rod: Reduced average damage to self by 30%.
Blood Statuette of Spite: reduced damage chance from 0.2 to 0.18.
Neferra’s Scroll of Mighty Incantations: Added Max 5 targets.
Blood Lust: can now target self

Opinia: Buff missile spells.

Podsumowanie: Troszkę jestem rozczarowany. Można było zrobić więcej zmian i to znacznie lepszych oraz widocznych. Szkoda, że te zmiany, które zostały podane przez społeczeństwo nie zostały zbytnio uwzględnione :/ Widoczny ogólny nerf wszystkich Regimentów, mocne buffy masy dla Lordów i bohaterów. Oczywiście mówię pod względem Multiplayer, a nie kampanii. Dla mnie ogólne tak 6/10.

**Janek** · 31-05-2018, 11:43

Od której można grać w nowego DLC?

**Pyrrus89** · 31-05-2018, 11:51

Zamieszczone przez Janek

Od której można grać w nowego DLC?

Od 16 chyba.

**Mist** · 31-05-2018, 15:23

@Saper

co do kilku spraw się nie zgodzę

obniżenie życia na relikwiarzu za zmniejszenie ceny to moim zdaniem jest buff

bo i tak raczej nikt go nie używa do walki tylko do wsparcia wojska a wiec jak mamy go za tańszą kase to może będzie częściej grany. To samo tyczy się kapłana u imperium +100 kasy to moim zdaniem nerf mimo tego pancerza, kapłan i tak nie był używany więc nie wiem czy akurat ten pancerz mu pomoże

**SaperHeart** · 31-05-2018, 16:36

Zamieszczone przez Mist

@Saper

co do kilku spraw się nie zgodzę

obniżenie życia na relikwiarzu za zmniejszenie ceny to moim zdaniem jest buff

bo i tak raczej nikt go nie używa do walki tylko do wsparcia wojska a wiec jak mamy go za tańszą kase to może będzie częściej grany. To samo tyczy się kapłana u imperium +100 kasy to moim zdaniem nerf mimo tego pancerza, kapłan i tak nie był używany więc nie wiem czy akurat ten pancerz mu pomoże

Hehehe ale nie przeczytałeś tego uważnie ;P przy Kapłanie napisałem "lekkie", ponieważ mieć 80 pancerza, a 50 to duża różnica. Kapłan nie był brany, ponieważ szybko padał. Te +100 przy ogólnym obniżeniu kosztów jednostek nie jest tak zauważalne. Tak samo w przypadku Relikwiarza. Problem -100 ceny, a minus -1000 IMO nie jest w ogóle warte. Mogę dać te 100 za 1000 hp i mam przeżywalność jednostki, szczególnie, że relikwiarz skupia na sobie Focus bo piechota Bretońska ssie. Oczywiście to jest moje odczucie.

I mamy Babola ^^ gdzie jest Norsca ?!